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#1 21.08.2008 18:28:08

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Shootboxing - Standing Vale Tudo

http://www.webalice.it/gpdmcwg/magazine/Shoot_boxing_1.jpg

No o tej stvari me je Adrenalin spraševal in zadeva je res mikavna. Samo - obleka smile, ampak če je v imenu Vale tudo in to še standing... se da potem zdržat? Verjetno samo da ne diši na savate smile
Ker savate dela že nekdo drug v Sloveniji. In to je bad.

http://shootboxing.org/english/index.html


Ustanovitelj v letu 1985: Japonec Tomofumi Murata - ali po novem - Caesar Takeshi

http://shootboxing.org/images/photo_seesar.jpg

Andy Sauwer (zmagovalec prestižnega K1-max) - tipični pajkičar, ki pa ni baletka zarad pajkic k jih res nosi za razliko od savaterjev, ki imajo integrale, ki niso oprijeti smile. verjetno ma prednost v tem da nima čevljev. ker čevlji so slabi. čevlje imajo tipično čudni športi kot je nogomet, košarka, atletika....oh ti čevlji

http://www.k-1fightclub.com/fighters_profile/fighter_profile_pic/b_r/andy_souwer_b2.jpg



V nekem čudežnem obsegu to disciplino goji tudi FIKB  - Italijanska kikboks zveza. Samo toliko da se zavemo, kdo komu vina naliva smile

Game Rules
(1) Competitions

<Expert Class Rules>

3 minute × 5 Round system. In the event of a draw, a 3-minute extra round will be introduced. If after this extra 3 minute round a clear win/loss is not established, a final 3-minute round will be added. There will be a 1-minute interval between each of these rounds.

<Freshman Class Rules>

3 minute × 3 Round system. In the event of a draw, a 3-minute extra round will be introduced. If after this extra 3 minute round a clear win/loss is not established. A final 3-minute round will be added. There will be a one-minute interval between each of these rounds

<Shoot Boxing Tournament Rule>
3 minute(s) 3 Round(s) 3 minute(s) extra round 1 minute(s) interval.

(2) Scoring System

The following outlines the competition scoring or pointing.

1 : Punches, Kicks, Kneeing, Throws, Suplex-throws and throws that are considered to afflict damage.(See No.5)

2 : Priority Scoring System is when the superior fighter, with a full 10 points, takes demerit points from the inferior fighter in the way of 1Number of downs 2 Damage inflicted on opponent 3 Number of clean hits and 4 Aggressiveness.

3 : Down by throw. 3 pts.
Down by hits. “Shoot call from referee” 2 pts.
Priority points. “Shoot call from referee” 1 pts.
Submission points.    “Catch call from referee” 1 pts.

Demerit points for rule violation / in correspondence with 5

a) A Shoot Point is when a fighter is thrown higher than his opponent’s hips and lands on the mat, but not on his feet. Followed by the recognition of the referee by calling “Shoot”.
Also, front tackles that lift the fighter off his feet and throw him to the mat. This also followed by the recognition of the referee by calling “Shoot”

4 : In the event of the match extending to extra rounds the winning decision will be made according to the total points accumulated in these Final rounds, not the total of the first initial rounds.

(3) Judges

1 : There are 3 judges: one referee and two ringside judges.
2 : The referee has the authority to expel any fighter who argues judge decisions.

(4) Competition Decisions

1 : Judge Decisions
a) In the case of no Knock Out the decision of the 3 judges based on points accumulated by the fighters will decide the win.

2 : Draw
a) If both are knocked down at the same time and neither stand before the count of 9.

3 : Knock Out
a) Not resuming the fighting-pose, after being knocked down, before the count of 8. Not having a conscious ability to continue the fight.
b) If the referee believes the damage to the fighter is too dangerous for him / her to continue.
c) If the fighter falls out of the ring and does not return within 20 seconds.
d) In the case of the ring apron: Within 10 seconds.

4 : Technical Knock Out (TKO)
a) Cuts. In the event the referee judges the wound is too grave to continue.
b) Three downs in the one round.
c) If the fighter’s Second throws in the towel.

5 : Give Up
a) When a fighter signs he wants to give up.

6 : Doctor Stop
a) When the Competition Doctor states it would be dangerous for the fighter to continue.

7 : No Contest
a) The referee has the authority to expel any fighter who breaks the rules, receives three warnings, has rigged the fight or has engaged in any manner deemed unprofessional.

(5) Valid Fighting Techniques

Punch: Straight, Hook, Upper, Back blow, Elbow.
Kick: Front Kick, Low Kick, Middle Kick, High Kick, Side Kick, Back Kick, Inside thigh-Kick, Jump Kick, Knee.
Throws : Neck-toss, Hip-toss, Judo throws, Back drop, suplex.
Standing Locks: Standing font neck lock.
Standing straight arm bar.

(6) Violations

The following summaries rule violations. Up to 3 warnings will be given, after which the violator will be suspended.

1 : Head butting.
2 : Punching below the belt.
3 : Thumbing, throat chokes.
4 : Attacking a downed opponent.
5 : Attacking an opponent during a referee break.
6 : Using the rope for defensive or offensive purposes.
7 : Using offensive or demeaning language.
8 : Striking the back of the head on purpose.
9 : Placing hands or knees on the mat for defensive or offensive purpose.

(7) Disqualification

1 : Referees decision on the grounds of rule violation.
2 : Failure to obey the referee’s instructions.
3 : Being late or not showing up to the competition.
4 : Unnecessary violence or rude behavior.
5 : Lack of will to participate.
6 : Receiving 3 warnings within a round.
7 : Doctor’s Stop.
8 : Any other reason based on the breaking of any set rules.

(8) In the event one fighter is vastly and noticeably superior to the other, a decision may be made by the referee before the round time ends.

(9) In the event of a cut, the decision of if the fighter can continue or not is made by the commissioned doctor and referee.

(10) Win / Loss due to cuts or serious injury is decided as follows:

1 : If injury is due to the opponent’s negligence or violation of the rules, the injured will be allowed time to recover. If continuation is not possible, the opponent in violation of the rules will lose.
2 : If injury is due to one’s own negligence, this will be considered as a loss.
3 : If injury is due to both members:

a) If injury is before the opening round(1st Round), a No contest decision will be made.
b) If the fight has commenced, the fighter with the most points will be declared the winner . Or in the case of an even amount of points: a draw.

(11) The fighter nor his / her league cannot object or challenge the referee or judge’s final decision.

(12) Countdown

a) a down is: falling to the mat and failing to stand promptly.
b) The Countdown starts after the referee’s call of “Down”
c) During Countdown the remaining standing fighter must stand in a neutral corner until signaled by the referee.
d) In the event the remaining standing fighter does not go to a neutral corner, the referee will stop the Countdown until the fighter is confirmed to be in a neutral corner.
e) In the event the round time finishes during a Countdown, if no sign of recovery is shown a Knock Out judgment will be made.

(13) The Seconds

a) A fighter’s Chief Second and 2 Seconds (total of 3 people may stand ringside.)
b) The 3rd. Second must be in the designated place during rounds.
c) The Seconds must not touch the rope or apron during rounds.
d) The referee has the authority to expel any Second who is disruptive or fails to obey the rules.

(14) Clothes or Costumes

a) The 3 seconds can wear their team colors or logos. Note that T-shirts and jeans is not acceptable. T-shirts with team logos are fine.
b) The fighter may wear anything that is checked by the commission and has received their permission to enter the ring in such clothes.
c) Gloves, leg pads must also be checked and received permission by the commission.
d) Wear or costumes not recognized by the commission are not to be worn. Also, Vaseline is to be used only on the face and ears.

(15) Tape and Bandage

Fighters are to use tape and bandages for the fists only. Bandages are to be put on at the event hall. Bandages put on before entering the event hall will not be recognized. Bandage will be checked after being put on. After such check, the bandages are not to be taken off until after the fight is over. If bandages are re-done the fighter must have them re-checked. The bandage check will be done by commissioned members.

(16) Taping Regulations

Taping is for the purpose of protecting the fist only. Accessive taping will not recognized. Also, adding any other material to the taping will not be recognized.

(17) For the protection of both fighters, no other materials are allowed to be worn during the rounds.
Tape for cuts that have been recognized by the Ring Doctor may be used.
Fighters wearing tape for injuries must have signed recognition by a doctor , otherwise the tape must be removed.

(18) Glove, Glove Check

a) The fighter will use the gloves provided by the commission. Glove weights are as follows:
(~65kg:6onze), (65~75kg:8onze), (75kg~:10onze)
b) After gloves have been put on, they will be checked by a commissioned member and signed. The gloves are thereafter not to be removed until after the fight. If they are removed, they must be re-checked and signed by a commissioned member.
c) Glove check is done on the day of the fight by a commissioned member.

(19) Weigh In Day and Time

Weigh In will commence on the day set by the commission.

If on the first Weigh In the fighter is over the weight limit of his / her class, he / she will be re-weighed every 30 minutes. If on the third weighing he /she is not within the weight limit, the fighter will be disqualified and fined.

(20) Mouthpiece

If during a round a mouth piece is dropped, on principle the referee will pick it up and return it to the fighter in his / her corner after the round.

(21) Weight Classes

MINIMUM ~47kg
FLYWEIGHT ~50kg
BANTAMWEIGHT ~52kg
SUPER BANTAMWEIGHT ~55kg
FEATHERWEIGHT ~57kg
SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT ~60kg
LIGHTWEIGHT ~62kg
SUPER LIGHTWEIGHT ~65kg
WELTERWEIGHT ~67kg
SUPER WELTERWEIGHT ~70kg
MIDDLEWEIGHT ~72kg
SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT ~75kg
LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT ~80kg
HEAVYWEIGHT 80kg~

(22) In the event of any unforeseen or questionable problem arising, consultation between the commissioned members and the chairman will take place.

tole je pa še en fant specializiran v tajskem k ga ni sram u tigraste oprijete pajkice smile

Zadnjič urejal savater (21.08.2008 18:43:41)


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#2 22.08.2008 18:52:31

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Re: Shootboxing - Standing Vale Tudo

shootboxing je top.

zakaj:

+roke
+noge
+kolena
+komolci
+vsi meti (judo, rokoborba...younameit)

v MT je malo smotano ker se v clinchu stvari ustavijo pri dolocenih metih. Sicer pa je po pravilih enak Sanda-ju (sportna verzija Kung Fu -ja). Tekem Muay Thai vs Sanda je bilo ze precej. S tem da slednji redno zgubljajo borbe (tu pa tam se najde tudi kaksna namjestalka...).

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#3 22.08.2008 19:58:05

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Re: Shootboxing - Standing Vale Tudo

kje pa se da trenirati shootboksing?

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#4 22.08.2008 21:30:24

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Re: Shootboxing - Standing Vale Tudo

joj, samo a ni ta baletna oprema mal mim smile ?

joj , joj adrenalin...ti znaš navijat za svoje...pa druge uspešno pluvat


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#5 22.08.2008 22:22:11

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Re: Shootboxing - Standing Vale Tudo

A ni to že mal preveč, da tkole promoviraš savate, čeprav vidiš, da folk ni zainteresiran, pol pa še pljuvaš po športih ki so drugim članom foruma všeč?

Zadnjič urejal gverilec (22.08.2008 22:53:39)

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#6 23.08.2008 08:02:17

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Re: Shootboxing - Standing Vale Tudo

tipa je pr savatu motila kao oprema


ampak nekej dni zatem mi je spuščal ZS-je o drugem športu Shootboxingu (če imam kkšne konekšne - zato sem pa dal gor zdej tut podatke o shotboxingu da se vidi  kaj tega kritika navdušuje in kaj zanima) ki ima  hujšo če ne bl grozno opremo, k ga pa u tem primeru ne moti in ne riše slikc o njej smile


zgleda da ga pr savatu ne moti oprema ampak ga motijo ljudje kot taki in je zelo spreten agitator ter teptalec sebi nepoznanega, verjetno zato  ker je zasedba Savate zveze taka, da ni kontrolirana s strani ....no o tem pa drugič

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#7 23.08.2008 08:55:48

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se strinjam, da nima nihce nic proti savatu niti nimamo nic proti osebam.
IMAMO PA VSI PROTI ENI OSEBI IN TA OSEBA DAJE Z SVOJIMI ODZIVI SLAB VTIS O SAVATU IN TA OSEBA SE NA TEMU FORUMU IMANUJE SAVATER

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#8 23.08.2008 09:56:59

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Re: Shootboxing - Standing Vale Tudo

Bane ne mi zamert ampak ti imaš zaradi nečesa drugega osebne zamere do mene smile:


Tvoj prispevek s foruma:

S klubom smo sli ze 2x na seminar v Irsko pa tudi v Bosno in Hrvasko pa da ne omenjam, da gremo naslednje leto na MALTO.
Presenetljivo je kako radi prihajajo iz sorodnih klubov (Nemcija, Irska, Anglija, Bosna, Hrvaska,..) Na treninge in na obisk v Slovenijo.
Skratka smo prava velika družina in odlicna klapa.
To je cisto na kratko od moje malenkosti pridte pogledat, ne bo vam zal.



No ti si iz ene družine in jest iz druge, tega ne moreš zanikat. In tvojo moti moja. Je še kaj drugega ali naj spremenim ime iz savater v shootboxer smile  ?


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#9 23.08.2008 10:16:40

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Re: Shootboxing - Standing Vale Tudo

sem ljubitelj borilnih vescin in  tudi ti si.
vsaka borilna vescina ima svoj stil svoj namen in seveda zvrst ljudi, ki jo trenirajo.
meni je savate vsec kot vsaka druga borilna vescina.
tudi ljudje ki trenirajo savate so sportniki in niso nic slabsi od drugih.
za nekoga z ulice so smesne vse oprave borcev pa naj bo to kimono, oprijete hlacke pri vale tudu, pri jaz nosim hakamo, ki mocno spominja na kiklo PA SE MI NIHCE NE POSMEHUJE.

ZATO ZASTOPI, DA SE NIHCE NE POSMEHUJE SAVATU POSMEHUJEMO SE SAVATERJU

Zakaj?
ja clovek bozji pa zate so vse ostale borilne vescine zanic z vsakim postom povelicujes savate vsi ostali, ki pa ljubimo vse borilne vescine smo pa tepci.
Malo si preberi svoje poste in presodi sam.

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#10 23.08.2008 11:05:05

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Zdravo vsem predvsem pa teb "savater".
Malo sem se ogledal vašo stran in forum kjer sem zasledil spodnji komentar, kjer mu ti ...se mi zdi, da si ti veselo potrjuješ. Očitno imaste  v savateju velik problem z egom in manjvrednostnim komleksom in se mi to zdi nesprejemljivo za ljudi, ki naj bi se ukvarjali z borilnimi veščinami. Tudi tukaj tvoj kolega tako kot ti ponižuje ostale "rižojedce" in stem tudi vse,ki se ukvarjamo z borilnimi veščinami. Tudi jaz treniram "rižojedčeve veščine" kobudo in je spodnja izjava človeka,ki nima kaj iskat v borilnih veščinah. Se pravi bo-juitsu in escrima po vašem je neuporabna?
Mislim, da je čas, da se malo spustiš na zemljo in nehaš blamirat "Savate" kot veščino.

Lp
Katana

"Azijatske tehnike so zanimive v tej meri, da vse tehnike izhajajo dejansko iz palice (bambusove). V Evropi se vse palice, ki so daljše od 120cm smatra v kontekstu eno in pol ročnega meča do dvo ročnega ali kar je dalše od 150cm kot helebardo. Helebarde so se uporabljale za napik jezdecev in/ali pehote ter predvsem kot kavelj potegniti jezdeca iz sedla.
Tako če danes gledamo predstavitvene tehnike rižojedcev je ta predvsem atraktivna in žal velikokrat neuporabna.
Tehnike helebarde in dvoročnega meča pa so v Evropi za razliko od batona skoraj zamrle.
Kot športna oblika se je v Evropi obdržal samo tehnika baton-a."



...in tukaj je je še povezava kjer savater pljuje po kali veščini in do nezavesti poveličuje svate http://savate.mojforum.si/savate-about27.html

Zadnjič urejal KATANA (23.08.2008 11:49:13)


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   strahu,da je človek in občutkom ponosa,ker je človek...
 
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#11 23.08.2008 11:25:59

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Re: Shootboxing - Standing Vale Tudo

Ja pa mimgrede se nanaša na en drug post,ki je zaprt...mojemu bratu je ime Predrag Jotić in fotr mu je Miodrag Jotić (hha hha sam ne ta) in v začetku 80 letih smo tekmoval v full contactu (Full contact klub Prule) oziroma karateju s polnim kontaktom in jasno je, da je svate takrat že bil in kickboxing šele v nastajanju. Pa nikol slišu za oficirje JLA v Postojni, ki naj bi tekmoval v savateju. Smo pa v tistih časih dosti spariral z borci savateja in v glavnem so dobival po pički. Preverjene informacije!

Lp
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...borec je človek,ki je dosegel ravnotežje med občutkom
   strahu,da je človek in občutkom ponosa,ker je človek...
 
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#12 23.08.2008 11:59:05

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Oj Katana zdravo. Tega tvojga posta sem vesel. Zanima pa me nekej.
Včasih je bila po ex-vojni v Postojni huda koncentracija sedaj zelo uspešnih kikboks trenerjev. Zakaj?
Bli so baje:
Vorkapič, Fekonja, Filipčič, Čauševič, Rogelj, Majkič, Lukman ....

Pa vsak je delou svoje v tolk mejhnem kraju.

Sam si baje delou dolga leta Sankukai in verjetno kot edini iz tega karate stila pristal v kikboks zvezi kjer zdej uspešno tekmujete z ekipo.

Baje imaš odlične povezave v Reko, kjer ste tudi trenirali in črpali znanje.
Sicer ni to najboljši predal za to razpravo ampak zadnjega so zaprli smile
Se še spomniš pokojnega Borisa Ilića , ki je delal v Lučkem Radniku v Rijeki in katerega borci so dandanes eni najboljših presdstavnikov Hrvaške v kontaktnem profesionalnem  kikboksu.
Razprava o tem je najboljša ravno sedaj ker je Hrvaška kikboks zveza v težki volilni krizi zaradi para Deša - Znaor, ki baje na žulj stopata Kutini - Božiču.

une bedarije o rižojedcih pa sem pisal nekaj let nazaj in so samo scopypaste-ane
in jih z veseljem umaknem še danes - teksta nisem še niti pregledal ali obnovil. Hvala za opozorilo. Rešpekt.

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#13 23.08.2008 13:05:36

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hoho! spet debata o meni al kaj?! nice!

js sm fan vseh efektivnih borilnih sportov, kar savate in shootboxing nedvomno sta. nisem pa fan tvojih gverilskih marketinskih akcij, kjer si vsaj na tem forumu (btw savater pise o savatu na nebroj forumih) dosegel predvsem to, da se ti smejimo. pa pajkice gor al dol. s savatom si navalil na ta forum kot muha na drek. sicer vsaka reklama je dobra reklama si lahko reces in tukaj bi ti dal prav.

iz raznih prejsnjih forumov se spomnem da si rad popljuval marsikateri borilni sport, medtem ko si vrlo scitil tvoje spandex otrocicka. razumljivo dejanje, samo moras pricakovati, da s taksnim obnasanjem bos dozivel dva ekstremna odziva: odpor ali posmeh. ker smo pa na mma.si precej uredu deci se ti raje posmehujemo, ker smo za izvajanje odpora prevec zmatrani od treningov.

kar se tice pa namiga glede SZTB, ti dam prav. resnicno upam za savate zvezo slovenije, da ne bo zabredla v taksno stanje kot je SZTB in da ne bos postal isti kot 'veliki mag' I.V.

zdej pa raje poslji kaksno novo spandex fotko da jo photoshopam!

caoo

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#14 23.08.2008 13:46:10

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Re: Shootboxing - Standing Vale Tudo

adrenaline - hvala

tole  pojasnilo spremeni zadeve.

Bom nalimou spandex tko za shootboxing kokr za savte smile, he, he


Ej zadeva v SZTB je večplastna. Iztoka dobro poznam - zato zadeve ne moremo kar v en koš vrečt kao kr neki.

Borilstvo v Sloveniji mora začeti iskati trdne oprijeme - ker nas je svionjsko malo. Ne pa iskati eksotiko tko kt sem jest ponudu ta shotboxing.

Če ti je všeč Sanda - pol jo je za zagrabt in peljat. V tej zvezi ki je članica OKS in ki jo vodi po posredovanju Erica Van Campenhouta namest Chena Kitajca zdej en Slovenc -  Marjan Dogša

Vir: http://www.olympic.si/index.php?id=285

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In povem ti da bo preboj v tej zvezi tako težak kot je bil thai boxing v kikboks zvezi leta 1997 ko je Vorkapič začel zapuščati to zvezo in naredil SZTB ker je bilo treba interesa pač nekako ločiti.



Seveda lahko se pa dela pa tudi shotboxing - kako ne - ampak je klub en na Japonskem en pr Andyu Sauweru na Nizozemskem in to je use. Pa še amaterski šport to ni - enga razvoja z njim ne bo u Sloveniji ker ne bo zanj podpore.

Torej kaj nam ostane za povečanje konkurence v borilnih športih - vsej stand up.???

Sodelovanje povezovanje in zumanjševanje monopolov.

U sredo je AIBA - boks že nardila profesionalno svojo zvezo.
Boks je začel diktirat močen razvoj v kontaktnem borilstvu. To bo še razburljivo.

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#15 23.08.2008 14:03:07

Adrenaline
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Re: Shootboxing - Standing Vale Tudo

tako kot si reku. malo nas je in bi morali zdruzit treninge in tekmovanja v disciplinah, ki so precej podobna med sabo. ni velikih razlik med Muay Thai-jem, Savateom, Sando, Shootboxingom, Kickboxing - low kick, celo boks pase zraven. to bi morali vsi med sabo tekmovati. sicer pa standup se bo v par letih po mojem stacioniral v nekem K1 look alike nacinu tekmovanj zato prej ko se bomo zaceli ozirati v skupni smeri tekem / izmenjave znanja bolje nam bo. fuck it, ce mi zrihtas spandex komplet pa balerinke pridem se k tebi kaj potrenirat.


P.S. no sej vidis da nism tok zatezen. izkoristim pa sanso za se nasmejat, delujem pa po principu:
"If somebody can't take a joke, then fuck him!"

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#16 23.08.2008 14:04:48

lepi Galko
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Re: Shootboxing - Standing Vale Tudo

Ja LOL, Pero ima čisto prav v predprejšnjem postu. Savater hoče delat dobro (samo) svojemu, pa v preveliki želji doseže ravno kontra efekt. Tud Hitler je hotel veliko Nemčijo, zdaj jim pa Turki pečejo kebap na vsake 2 metra, pedri se ga nažigajo sredi Berlina, braća Srbi i Bosanci jim pa tiščijo vse dobre ženske, hehe. Isto kle (in povsod drugje, kamor se naserje ta opica) - fotošopajo se fotke borcev, dela se norca iz športa itd.

S tem, da je imel Hitler vsaj res kvalitetne čupo in brke.


edit: K1 standup z enotnimi pravili za vse is the only way to go

Zadnjič urejal lepi Galko (23.08.2008 14:06:20)


fukat šlatat tepst

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