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#17 17.11.2007 14:43:15

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Re: Ramon Dekkers (Muay Thai) vs. Francois Pennacchio (Savate)

ne gre za to da bi savate (mojo lubico smile  ) precenjaval, ker močno cenim delo SZTB in KBZS, ki sta vsaka na svojem področju nardili ogromno delo za udarjalno borilstvo. Žalostno je to da SZTB ni dobila zasluženih sredstev KBZS pa, vendar mislim da to ne sme biti prepreka za bodoče skupno delo v prihodnosti.

Najti mormo načine kako se prbližat en drugmu da bo u Sloveniji borilstvo začelo zanimat sponzorje in dobilo svoj izhod.

Ta mi je pa - d best k vidm da je tim na forum kr hud. A da sta bla Pennacchio pa Dekkers še enkrat pol u Trstu. Kolk je Trst kej u zadnjem cajtu žiu kar se tiče borilstva? A kdo ve kje bi se dalo dobit tega Pennacchia?
Ceu net sem obrnu....use možne ljudi preklicou...o tipu ni ne duha ne sluha.
Za mene bi biu pomemben element pr povezavi savata z ostalimi kontaktnimi športi. Z veseljem bi ga gostil u Sloveniji na kkšnem seminarju.

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#18 17.11.2007 17:00:41

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Re: Ramon Dekkers (Muay Thai) vs. Francois Pennacchio (Savate)

savater je napisal:

Ceu net sem obrnu....use možne ljudi preklicou...o tipu ni ne duha ne sluha.

...model se je zajebu k je Dekkersa premagu....pomoje so ga ubil, al pa kj podobnega....nevem....sam sm skor 100% da ni več med nami...al pa je...sam z drugo identiteto??


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#19 17.11.2007 17:49:42

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Re: Ramon Dekkers (Muay Thai) vs. Francois Pennacchio (Savate)

Turbo je napisal:

savater je napisal:

Ceu net sem obrnu....use možne ljudi preklicou...o tipu ni ne duha ne sluha.

...model se je zajebu k je Dekkersa premagu....pomoje so ga ubil, al pa kj podobnega....nevem....sam sm skor 100% da ni več med nami...al pa je...sam z drugo identiteto??

Ne, ne, ni več žiu, preveč se je zajebavou z svojim življenjem in kukr jst vem nobeden ne preživi ku dekkersa zmaga.   
ZMAGA DEKKERSA = SMRTNA OBSODBA.


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#20 18.11.2007 00:27:12

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Re: Ramon Dekkers (Muay Thai) vs. Francois Pennacchio (Savate)

zakaj?

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#21 18.11.2007 09:38:28

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Re: Ramon Dekkers (Muay Thai) vs. Francois Pennacchio (Savate)

Takrat je dvoboje organiziral Battista. Morda on ima se kaksne kontakte z njim.
Ta je njegova spletna stran: http://www.wushu.it/detect.asp
Lep pozdrav tillfreds


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#22 18.11.2007 10:23:09

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Re: Ramon Dekkers (Muay Thai) vs. Francois Pennacchio (Savate)

yaksha hvala. drugače pa sem ga iskal še po WKA kikboks verziji, kjer je tip neki cajta ždel in bil clo u eni kategoriji prvi.

zanima me pa zato ker ga savate svet sploh ne omenja. Kot da bi se u savatu komu zameril. Ni omenjen nikjer. Zgleda da je to nagrada v savatu za dobro promocijo smile.
zanima me pol njegova pot proti italiji kjer je bil dosti aktiven, pa ta WKA...u glavnem

zanimivo, da se borec s preko 100 fajti ne preizkusi naprej kot trener ali vsaj poskuša s tem naprej živeti. Vem pa da je delal po Italiji seminarje in bi z veseljem naredu u SLO z njim kkšno prigodo.


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#23 18.11.2007 13:29:15

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Re: Ramon Dekkers (Muay Thai) vs. Francois Pennacchio (Savate)

almighty je napisal:

zakaj?

hahaahahahhahahahahahahaa ma ne me jebat! to sm pricakovou od đejka wink hahahahha huda res


it's the passion that allows us to go... one more round!

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#24 18.11.2007 16:06:07

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Re: Ramon Dekkers (Muay Thai) vs. Francois Pennacchio (Savate)

almighty je napisal:

zakaj?

kdo?
lol
...Đejkomanija


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#25 19.11.2007 00:52:39

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Re: Ramon Dekkers (Muay Thai) vs. Francois Pennacchio (Savate)

HA,HA,HA, Zakaj že hmm

Zadnjič urejal BANE (19.11.2007 00:53:05)

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#26 19.11.2007 17:44:27

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Re: Ramon Dekkers (Muay Thai) vs. Francois Pennacchio (Savate)

savater....maš cajta.....


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#27 21.11.2007 14:21:30

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Re: Ramon Dekkers (Muay Thai) vs. Francois Pennacchio (Savate)

zdej je u Franciji napovedan del finala svetovnega prvenstva 2007

Link: http://www.trophee-champions.fr/
Laurent Faubel (FRA) vs. Riley Rose (Mauritius) (-56 kg)
Amri Madani (FRA) vs. Luka Habek (CRO) (70-75 kg)
Ingrid Graziani (FRA) vs. Ahlem Grisset (Tunizija) (56-60 kg)
Blizu Orleansa (blizu Pariza) - Domaine de Chales.

http://www.bvbfs.fr/pix/savate.jpg

ampak Pennacchia zagotovo tam ne bo....hmmmm


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#28 11.01.2008 13:26:13

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Re: Ramon Dekkers (Muay Thai) vs. Francois Pennacchio (Savate)



evo tole je pa še video na forumu smile

Zadnjič urejal savater (11.01.2008 13:29:27)


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#29 11.01.2008 14:08:22

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Re: Ramon Dekkers (Muay Thai) vs. Francois Pennacchio (Savate)

savater je napisal:

zdej je u Franciji napovedan del finala svetovnega prvenstva 2007

Link: http://www.trophee-champions.fr/
Laurent Faubel (FRA) vs. Riley Rose (Mauritius) (-56 kg)
Amri Madani (FRA) vs. Luka Habek (CRO) (70-75 kg)
Ingrid Graziani (FRA) vs. Ahlem Grisset (Tunizija) (56-60 kg)
Blizu Orleansa (blizu Pariza) - Domaine de Chales.

http://www.bvbfs.fr/pix/savate.jpg

ampak Pennacchia zagotovo tam ne bo....hmmmm

Pomoje da si v kaki bolnici zdravi roko big_smile
Ne res kake bombe je ta francoz dobival v roko ! Zanimivo da se ni zlomila . Je pa treba poudarit da ni blo kolen prepovedano je blo lovit udarce prepovedan so bli komolci.....
Ce pogledas Francoz sploh ni udarjal mocno si je sam nabiral punte stem ko je Deker vsak udarec udaru 100%.
Verjamem da je Francoz odlicen borec v tem fajtu je pokazal da ma neverjetno trde kosti bori se z glavo, odlicno se giba. Skratka lepa borba katero je zmagal Pennacchia sam je pa v ringu definitivno dosti bol trpel kot Ramon.


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#30 11.01.2008 18:03:14

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Re: Ramon Dekkers (Muay Thai) vs. Francois Pennacchio (Savate)

A tole nej bi bil ta superduperprehud fajter al kaj? Škoda je Dekkerju naredu glih tok al pa če bi sparirala.


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#31 11.01.2008 20:30:02

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Re: Ramon Dekkers (Muay Thai) vs. Francois Pennacchio (Savate)

Tu smo že zgorej razčistl fantje. Žal je Pennacio mrtu, ker si je dovolu zmagat dekkersa.


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#32 18.05.2008 18:06:10

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Re: Ramon Dekkers (Muay Thai) vs. Francois Pennacchio (Savate)

najdu sem zanimiv komentar tega fajta z MMA NEWS: http://mma-news.net/category/savate

mal hvali rammona mal pennacchia, ampak men se zdi da poudari kr taprave parametre pr obeh:


View the Pennacchio vs. Dekkers at Boot to the Head for a great example of what makes Savate such a monster style in the ring. I think it was a good counterpoint and contrast to our post, "Muay Thai Lessons from Ramon Dekkers."As you know, I posted on the Muay Thai lessons we can learn from Ramon Dekkers a little while ago. Let's turn that around and see what we can pick up from François Pennacchio in the video posted at Boot. Make sure you watch the whole video, then let me know how you see it.

Mobility
As Ruiz states in his Boot posts, the superior mobility that is the hallmark of Savate is tough to deal with. I noted that the constant circular mobility prevented Dekkers from getting "set" before firing, thus neutralizing much of his power, and creating many misses. As you may know, missing takes much more of a toll than hitting a target, and it shows. An important point is that Pennacchio has excellent discipline to stay in his game plan. As someone once said, genius is the ability to stay focused on the matter at hand. Superior fighters, race car drivers, tennis players, and others have that. Pennacchio definitely does, constantly moving away from the power of Dekkers, preventing him from landing more than one shot at a time.

Power
I agree with George that Dekkers wins the power game, but he rarely got to land cleanly, so that wasn't much of a factor. Savate kicks have an odd sort of focused power which hurts you badly, but in a different way than Muay Thai. Pennacchio stayed on his game and didn't really try to get set and blast Dekkers - probably a good idea!

Broken Rhythm
I think Pennacchio's ability to stop and redirect his momentum to another direction is what appeared to frustrate Dekkers. When he's start to lead off, Pennacchio wasn't there anymore. The broken rhythm also allowed him to fire on the move because Dekkers was off-balance with misses. Excellent!

Conditioning
Finally, I have to credit both fighters with being in excellent shape for the fight. Dekkers could not have maintained that pace without it, but the constant mobility of Pennacchio requires unbelievable cardio and muscular endurance. I can't usually get through a whole round of constant movement, much less 8, 10, or more.

Summary
I'd definitely score Pennacchio the winner of this bout due to his superior ring generalship and defense. He used a "stick and move" tactic which yielded an overwhelming decision on my score card. Due to this type of training, if you like full contact striking, I'd give Savate a look.

Zadnjič urejal savater (18.05.2008 18:07:06)


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